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ETA: Let's try this again.

If you're not a member of fandom and you're not going to be voting for one of the ten people we are discussing, go somewhere else to discuss your candidate. I want this comments section on-topic. I have no desire to wade through anything extraneous in this community.

Any conversation not fitting these parameters will find the commenter banned without notice. This community is centered around discussing these ten candidates and NO ONE AND NOTHING ELSE. It's. Not. That. Hard.

If you're going to talk about a person, keep it positive. If you have negative things to say about a person, keep it to your friends/flists.

This is especially true when it concerns a person that is not even in the running for this community's votes. Keep it clean, keep it to the ten people we are actually considering and save anything else for your personal journals. Thank you.

Mini F.A.Q.

Question: What is fandom_votes?
Answer: We are a community of members of fandom trying to get a member of fandom elected to the LJ Advisory Board.

Question: So why are you trying to make people vote for a certain person?
Answer: We're not. The moderator of this community knows none of the people running and as such, has no personal bias. But as a voting *bloc*, if we (fandom) can come to a general consensus on one candidate, we can have a member of fandom on the Advisory Board.

We *heartily encourage* an open discussion. We want to really *understand* the differences between the candidates' platforms. This isn't a popularity contest - we want to find out who is going to best be able to articulate, defend and understand fannish interests.

Our baseline is that a member of fandom has the best understanding of fannish interests, and now, we need to build from there.

Question: What do I do?
Answer: READ THROUGH HERE. There's five steps on what we need to do in order to get a pro-fandom, in fandom candidate selected.

Then come back here!

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Fannish Endorsements, Opinions and Candidate Discussion:

If you want to summarize/promote certain things about your favorite candidate, here's the place to do it. This is an open discussion.

You can find links to all of the candidates platforms here. There's also a few relevant posts in ljunited.

Please note that we are only considering pro-fandom candidates that are in fandom for this community. If you wish to vote differently, that is obviously your prerogative. (You can check out the poll linked below for the names of the candidates we are considering.)

Please feel free to comment on this post if you have anything you'd like to weigh in on for a particular candidate. Think of this as fannish endorsement time. If you've made a post saying why you think so and so is awesome, head your comment with the name of the person you really like, and link us.

Let's keep it all positive. If you have negative things to say about a person, keep it to your friends/flists. I don't feel like watching this get scary, you know? If there's something you don't like about a candidate's *position* though - well. Fair game.

NOTE: We also welcome the candidates themselves to come in here and say whatever they'd like. If the candidates see a certain question or something to address about their platform, they're welcome to comment to other users well. This is meant to be a kind of neutral ground atmosphere, and we welcome their comments.

If you've already voted, you should be able to change your vote (should you wish to), by editing the poll. I'll tell you how to do that when the time comes.

Read through the links to the various candidate platforms, and the threads here in order to figure out who your favorite candidate is.

Then, vote in Round One. This poll will be open until 11:59 p.m. CST Sunday, May 25th, so read and think fast, my people!

We'll narrow down our choices to two options, and then?

Well, it's like Highlander. There can only be One.

Comments

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sasha_davidovna
May. 23rd, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
I had some friends ask for help deciding who to vote for and started putting together a list of posts related to the elections here: http://sasha-davidovna.livejournal.com/293958.html

Linking it here in the hope that others might also find it useful, too.
svmadelyn
May. 23rd, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
Awesome, thank you!
bookshop
May. 23rd, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
Legomymalfoy

Hi, hi. I've already listed a bunch of reasons why I think legomymalfoy is our best candidate on my lj, but I also wanted to add something I said on the subject this morning:

Jen has been involved with the LJ support and abuse teams for years; she's also been involved in fandom for even longer. She's extremely passionate about fandom, but she's also never ever been one to cry havoc and let loose the trolls on the LJ mods. She's the only person on the nominee list who both understands LJ well *and* is a permanent and entrenched member of the largest fandom on the internet. She is the candidate who will be best able to understand and disseminate LJ Abuse policy and influence it in a way that will be most beneficial to fandom.

That's why I support her.
aidenfire
May. 24th, 2008 02:02 am (UTC)
Re: Legomymalfoy
The question that what you say here brings to my mind is, (with no disrespect intended) if she was on the LJ abuse team--the people who were actually deleting the journals--how can we trust there won't be a strikethrough/boldthrough 2.0? I've asked this on her journal just a minute ago as well.
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spare_change
May. 23rd, 2008 10:27 pm (UTC)
RM
I'd never heard of rm before the elections, but I really like her platform. Here's what I think sets her apart from the other candidates:

Fandom-specific issues

- She puts free speech issues foremost. She doesn't make any excuses for strikethrough, boldthrough, or LJ Abuse's treatment of breastfeeding moms.

My argument is for the broadest range of speech permissible under the laws of California (where LJ is incorporated). This level of free speech should be the right of all LJ users, regardless of location or topic. Political speech needs to be protected. Religious speech needs to be protected. Creative speech needs to be protected. If it's legal speech it should be permissible on LJ.

- She is the only candidate who is a member of OTW. (I'm not a fan of OTW personally, but I know a lot of fans find it very important.)

General LJ issues

- LJ needs to honor its original commitments made to the users. I value someone with a sense of LJ history, whose loyalty is in terms of its original community and that sense of promise. Specifically, rm supports the ongoing availability of free accounts and the right of every user to experience an ad-free LJ if they so choose.

- We need a system for dealing with abuse and other user concerns that is transparent and allows users to present their side of the case -- justice without defense or appeal is not justice. The Abuse Team's actions and policies need to be transparent and accountable to the users, and users need to be able to appeal and have a voice in their process.

- I have no personal friendships or loyalties to the staff or other powers that be. I would prefer someone who is not already entrenched in the LJ structure as it stands now.

- I love LJ with all my heart, but I am not a cheerleader. I will call it like I see it, and can be both diplomatic and aggressive. ... Everything that makes me not cuddly in most circumstances makes me perfect for this job.
nicocoer
May. 23rd, 2008 10:57 pm (UTC)
Re: RM
All are the reasons she came up in my top choices. yay free speech! (She's my Number two, though. . .)
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icarusancalion
May. 24th, 2008 12:29 am (UTC)
Right now two candidates are surging ahead, the others aren't even in the ballpark:

legomymalfoy and jameth.

I've scoped out jameth. He's been running a smear campaign against legomymalfoy and has this stick figure post about how the smart money is on him. I like legomymalfoy's platform. This jameth is contemptible.
seperis
May. 24th, 2008 12:38 am (UTC)
I'm tracking the smear threads too. Four or five threads so far against legomymalfoy, one against rm.

I especially like the complete lack of evidence other than "BUT THEY ARE GETTING AHEAD TOO FAST!" *sighs*
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synecdochic
May. 24th, 2008 12:44 am (UTC)
I support legomymalfoy, for reasons enumerated here; her LJ-related experience makes her the ideal candidate to translate fannish interests into language that the suits will understand.
recommendation
May. 24th, 2008 01:06 am (UTC)
HI! I run votepocalypse and we are looking for a fandom correspondent! someone who will keep everyone on lj updated on how fandom voters are swaying, and what they are saying!

anyone is welcome, regardless of who you are supporting!

thanks!
dzurlady
May. 24th, 2008 04:09 am (UTC)
I'm not interested in participating any forum where the mods are promoting (and believe me, this is not specific to you) one specific candidate.
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seperis
May. 24th, 2008 02:45 am (UTC)
Ditto with synedochic - I support legomymalfoy for her platform here. I think she's the best candidate for the position.
icarusancalion
May. 24th, 2008 03:03 am (UTC)
bookshop has posted with her support of legomymalfoy here, based on her platform, leadership experience at Fiction Alley, and personal record of even-handedness.

meinterrupted
May. 24th, 2008 03:34 am (UTC)
Just for the record i am doing this on my cell, and trust me, it is HARD to keep up with this election while driving through the boon docks of Missouri.

Why, exactly do you think that the rep needs to be in fandom to adeptly represent us? Fandom has a reputation of being extremely over protective of itself, often to the point of being ridiculous. Don't you think the board would be more likely to listen to someone outside saying the same thing?

I will admit my bias here freely; i support jameth for the position. My reasons are listed in my journal- apologies for not linking, my cell doesn't like typing HTML. One of my reasons is because of where he stands on fandom, which is linked on that post as well. In my opinion, we simply need a candidate that will support free speech for all, not just focus on fandom.
seperis
May. 24th, 2008 03:53 am (UTC)
Thank you very much for your articulate response. However, for this particular community, we're limiting discussion to one of the candidates listed above. votepocalypse is said to be doing a more extensive candidate discussion that's not quite as limited as this community.
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icarusancalion
May. 24th, 2008 03:37 am (UTC)
I'm tracking fandom support for candidates, largely legomymalfoy here.
auntiesiannan
May. 24th, 2008 05:52 am (UTC)
[Copypasta'd from my own LJ]

In regards to the inception of [info]fandom_votes:

What does being "fandom" (hey, didn't even know that was an adjective until today) have to do with being qualified to serve on the LJ Advisory Board?

I like stuff. Does that make me "fandom" of said stuff? Do I need to know a secret handshake? If I dress up like HR Pufunstuf and write slashfic based on Enoch the Sleestak/Sigmund the Sea Monster does that get me in the club, and somehow make my voting bloc more significant?

[info]jameth is penis fandom, I guess. Or anus fandom. Depends on his mood and what [info]asphaltwanderer and he sort out in bed; it's not my bailiwick either way. Regardless, one's hobbies or proclivities have no bearing on what makes a person the best candidate for the position being voted for.

Someone kindly explain this to me. Use small words, big words, just no Cyrillic because I can't read that.
shahrizai
May. 24th, 2008 07:09 am (UTC)
Because FANDOM IS SRS BIZNESS. Also, because fandom wants their God-given right to angsty Harry/Snape smutfic and are afraid that jameth will mock them for it.

I also think fandom has their panties in a knot because jameth has a huge fandom himself, but at least he wouldn't invoke the ToS if RPS of him and goatse man showed up.

And no, the HR Pufunstuf thing doesn't count because he's not a hot guy. Although the slashfic gets you points.

dear god, fandom has made me bitter
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happycakeoven
May. 24th, 2008 06:37 am (UTC)
from recommendation:
no need to worry about how youre perceived - if you report fairly, youve done your job, and whatever anyone says, well, they cant fight the truth.

you know what im saying?
icarusancalion
May. 24th, 2008 06:48 am (UTC)
Re: from recommendation:
Hi.

Actually, one glance at Fandom Wank suggests that it does matter. But it's a moot point. I'll have some time this weekend to fool around but I have a 25-page proposal due in two weeks, a 15-page paper due shortly after that, and then I have finals. I simply won't have time.

kenboy
May. 24th, 2008 01:02 pm (UTC)
This is a bit difficult.
I don't know how it's possible to have a reasoned debate about which candidate to support if we're not allowed to say anything negative, so I'm hoping that there's some latitude there, and what you really mean to say is "if you want to say candidate x is a disgusting pervert who takes money from Jack Abramoff, do it somewhere else," and not that we can't bring up anything non-positive here, because:

I am completely baffled that fandom's current #1 choice is an abuse team member who was on staff during strikethrough.

http://furiosity.livejournal.com/383781.html?thread=12940581#t12940581

For me, this is a complete dealbreaker. Fandom's #1 problem with LJ management all along has been the complete lack of transparency in operations and in abuse team decisions, and you're going to pick someone who's been making those decisions all along to represent you on the board? When the chips were down, she stood with management, not with the users.

Frankly, even if she hadn't been involved in strikethrough, how is this not like electing your manager to be your union representative to management?

If fandom gets it together and rallies around a candidate who isn't already working for LJ, I'll likely back that candidate; Vichan and rm both seem like good choices. Otherwise, I'm going with a non-fandom candidate who I believe is actually capable of standing up for the users, and not for the company. Someone who posts content LJ management doesn't like -- whether it's fannish content or not -- is a better choice for me than someone who deletes content LJ management doesn't like when ordered to do so by LJ.

Thanks.
seperis
May. 24th, 2008 04:31 pm (UTC)
Re: This is a bit difficult.
Thanks for your response.

We're not having a debate on all candidates; this is limited to a specific few and their platforms and yes, we prefer non-negative campaigning. We can get that in the actual presidential elections and it's kind of exhausting.
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zillah975
May. 24th, 2008 09:59 pm (UTC)
I'm supporting rm because her position post is extremely articulate and very clearly outlines precisely my own concerns and desires regarding LJ.

I support her because she has not been a member of the LJ staff, during strikethrough, boldthrough, or any other kerfuffle, but she does have good rapport with staff members.

I don't want our board member to have been on the LJ staff during a time when LJ was dicking us around. I have no confidence in the staff from those periods.

rm is a smart, passionate, articulate professional, and I believe she has the ability and the guts to be an effective board member. I believe she is the best qualified of the candidates, and I support her 100%.
yevgenie
May. 28th, 2008 12:16 am (UTC)
I realize this is not approved fandom voting order, and late to the party to boot, but I'm throwing in behind vichan. I put up a post in my journal; I'll copy the relevant bit here:

This whole crazy mess, which has now gotten *even crazier*, has been looking like an unfortunate test-case of "so, candidate, how do *you* handle it when LJ explodes with drama?" And vichan has been consistently level-headed, fair, rational, and responsive. Which is exactly how I want my LJ drama handled, and qualities that I'd love to see on the Advisory Board. Her platform stresses communication, I think we can all agree that LJ users like to hear wtf is going on and have their concerns heard, and her campaign has, I believe, demonstrated that these are in fact skills that she possesses and uses!
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